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 Post subject: Huguenot Park ...the latest
PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:20 am 
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It seem that through underhanded political maneuvering the motion to impose further closures at Huguenot Park was passed 6 to 4.

Doesn"t anyone have a problem with a small (but well funded) radical environmental group being able to blind side our state and local ELECTED officials? Apparently they were not appraised of any changes and to top it off the public was not allowed to have a say either. No LEAGLY REQUIRED public meeting was held and no public notice of any sort was given before the paid for Audubon lobby attacked this city its public officials and our community at the ARC meeting in Tallahassee. The APPOINTED members of the ARC should be unbiased even if they are not elected. Some where someone needs to answer for this outrageous disregard of the Jacksonville constituency.


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 Post subject: Re: Huguenot Park ...the latest
PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:39 pm 
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This just in!.....

From the office of Scott Shine...

"Just got word, mandatory closure of beach zones 10 to 12 was removed as a condition of Florida Division of Lands (ARC) approval for the Huguenot Park plan amendments. COJ is required to return in a year for plan review, implement some changes and develop a park 'carrying' capacity".

It Seams we have a reprieve. It looks like the city will get its lease and some time to iron out any kinks. Still, we need to remain focused on access issues. This may be the time to push back in St Augustine.

As always we remain good stewards of the environment and are committed to developing fair and equitable management plans for the use of our natural resources.


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 Post subject: Re: Huguenot Park ...the latest
PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:17 am 
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Many thanks to all who helped with the e-mail campaign. You should be proud to realize that your voice has positive results. The fight is not over but we won the day. We need to focus our efforts everywhere a threat to access exists.


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 Post subject: Re: Huguenot Park ...the latest
PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:33 am 
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The signs are up at Matanzas, and driving from the beach ramp south to the bridge will cease as of January 1, 2010. Happy New Year bastards. This does not mean that we cannot kiteboard at Matanzas Inlet. There are several options if you want to kite there.

1. Park at the beach ramp, setup there, launch and ride downwind to the inlet. When you are done, ride back upwind and pack up. Try not to crash your kite into the huge signs that they just put up. Or if the wind is light, you will have to pack up and walk 1/4 mile back upwind to your car.

2. Meet a friend at the south side of Matanzas Inlet, leave a car there, and then drive up and park at the beach ramp and launch there. Ride the inlet for a while, and then when you are done ride downwind to the south side and pack up.

3. Park in the parking lot on the north side of the inlet, and lug all of your stuff down to the beach to go kiting.

4. The simplest option may be to just launch on the south side, and ride upwind to the inlet.

The good news is that kiteboarding has not been banned at Matanzas Inlet. Only beach driving has. The good news is that there will be less fisherman lining the shoreline and yelling at us to stay away from their lines. For instructors like me to always access the area by boat when I am teaching, it is not really an issue. We have been fortunate to be able to drive right to the beach and rig up to this point, but this does not mean that we will not be kiteboarding at Matanzas!

As far as the Huguenot Park issue goes, it is true that the Audobon Society folks have us on their radar, and we should be aware of this and fight back. I think most of us are environmentally conscious, and as Paul said good stewards of our environment. We should continue to do so, and it might be a good idea to organize a beach cleanup or similar activity at our local beaches to demonstrate our commitment to keeping our ocean environment healthy. At the very least these issues highlight the need to get together and form some sort of organization or association dedicated to protecting our beach access, and we have as much right as bird watchers to enjoy the beach.


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 Post subject: Re: Huguenot Park ...the latest
PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:18 am 
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To hear the interview on 89.9 go to the Florida Open Beaches facebook page and check out the link!


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 Post subject: Re: Huguenot Park ...the latest
PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:50 pm 
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Paul brought these emails to my attention. Don't these make you mad? Especially the second one?

https://secure3.convio.net/nasaud/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=737

https://secure3.convio.net/nasaud/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=718

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 Post subject: Re: Huguenot Park ...the latest
PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:59 am 
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FIRST. As proposed the posts on the front side will be set at 50' intervals (east/west) and extend to the water in zone 12 out to the lowest tide line. The high end of this line will be about 150' from the current roped dune line. The 150' gap allows automotive access completely around the park shore line. I am told that they should be painted bright red or orange and have "no driving beyond this point" signs on them. They are supposed to be 6" diameter PVC set in concrete. At this time there is no plan to rope between them. The posts that extend across the point are supposed to be 4" diameter and set at 100 foot intervals. They too will be set in concrete and have signs on them. They may be plain white. As these posts will be fairly substantial all kiters who sail at the point should take special care When launching, landing or riding in those areas. At high tides the posts may be partially submerged.

SECOND. The Red Knots are back in the park. Last year the Audubon was allowed to prevent any access to the shoal areas by cars AND pedestrians This proved to be mostly a non issue for kiters as the birds used areas that were unkiteable in most cases. Last year kiters sailed in the ocean outside the break north of the Red Knot line set by Audubon. That worked very well. Audubon was satisfied and we all had a good time kiting at the park. This year the same guidelines will apply with a few exceptions. The Audubon Will be allowed to "educate and encourage" the public not to walk out onto the shoals where red knots are feeding but, they can not deny access to pedestrians. However the park management plan reads that there should be no recreational activities beyond that line so there is a gray area that could be interpreted to exclude kiteing over the shoals. If you wish to sail off the point please have in your head a picture of a line from the south point of Talbot Island to the Atlantic shoreline of Huguenot Park. On east winds at low tide keep you kite outside the closest break between those two points. On north winds your kite will be over the ocean and its ok to ride the closest break. At higher tides the birds move off the point and there is enough water to kite over the shoals. What it boils down to is common sense. If you are close enough to make them fly you are too close. This guideline applies anywhere in the park. Every time a kiter causes birds to fly the Audubon is there to take a picture of it. So while the Red Knots are at the park and the volunteers are there please take special care to protect our access.

This post can also be found on www.metrojacksonville forums under the public safety section.

To all those who have been following this thread,

At this time there is a small flock, about 50, Red Knots feeding at the park. The city is proceeding with its plans to place posts across the point from into the surf zone on the Atlantic side to into the water on the inlet side as per the management plan. When installed the point will be completely closed to automotive traffic during low tides while these birds are in the park. When the birds migrate out of the park driving access to the point will be restored during all tide levels. Driving/parking lanes will be provided for behind the line of posts. At higher tide levels the shoals are flooded and the birds move off the point. Driving on the shoals at high tide is also impossible. During this time the driving/parking lanes will be open and accessible above the mean high tide line. This will allow fishermen or people with small boats and PWC's access to the deep water, non surf launch areas on the north point during parts of the day from the Atlantic side and as tides permit on the pond side of the park.
Signs will be mounted on the posts instructing drivers not to drive beyond that line. In other words from that time forward there will be no driving on the shoals allowed. To begin with the city will place the posts about 100 feet apart for most of that distance. This is an attempt to lessen the eyesore, danger and maintenance associated with of a string of posts. People should make every effort to stay behind that line. Drivers that want to use the excuse that that they did not see the signs or posts (they will be brightly colored) can be cited and or removed from the park. Additionally if there are a significant number of violations more posts will be installed to shorten the distance between posts to 50 feet. Please remember that these restrictions are a compromise the city has worked hard for. The Audubon wanted to and was almost successful in achieving full time year round closure of more than 50% of the park which included the all of the north point and most of the pond area to automotive and pedestrian traffic. As it stands people may still walk out on the shoals at any time of the year. Audubon member volunteers will be in place to educate people about Red Knots and encourage them to maintain a reasonable distance from them if they choose walk on the shoals. Please help the park maintain as much access as possible by abiding by these new restrictions.

Later in the year when the fledgling birds begin to emerge from the dunes certain areas may be closed as needed. Further posts on this subject will follow new information.


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 Post subject: Re: Huguenot Park ...the latest
PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:11 am 
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kitester wrote:
FIRST. As proposed the posts on the front side will be set at 50' intervals (east/west) and extend to the water in zone 12 out to the lowest tide line. The high end of this line will be about 150' from the current roped dune line. The 150' gap allows automotive access completely around the park shore line. I am told that they should be painted bright red or orange and have "no driving beyond this point" signs on them. They are supposed to be 6" diameter PVC set in concrete. At this time there is no plan to rope between them. The posts that extend across the point are supposed to be 4" diameter and set at 100 foot intervals.
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The City's position on the sign placement/clsoure was that it was "acceptable" to the kitesurfers who use the point. I felt the plan was too restrictive, but was unsuccessful in gaining any concessions. John Milio of USFW actually suggested the pilings would be too close together at 100 feet and it was agreed by the advisory group to set the post to 200 feet apart.


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 Post subject: Re: Huguenot Park ...the latest
PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:48 pm 
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To be clear.... it was the suggested to me that the posts be placed 100 feet apart. I think all the kiters would like (as would everyone else) see 0 posts on the point. I was only just reporting what was suggested. I think that 200 feet is better than 100. Less is better. Did I have the other suggestions listed correctly?


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